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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread Nov 27, 2013 20:31:00 GMT Post by Lucius on Nov 27, 2013 20:31:00 GMT They haven't finished with the investigation either . news.sky.com/story/1174422/lostprophets-ian-watkins-appeal-for-victims It could end up being even worse, if that is even possible.
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Anna Staff Posts: 2,716 Hogwarts House: Ravenclaw Who is YOUR Doctor?: 6 (Colin Baker 84-86) Current F1 Driver?: Fernando Alonso	World News Thread Nov 27, 2013 21:53:39 GMT Post by Anna on Nov 27, 2013 21:53:39 GMT Nov 27, 2013 17:14:09 GMT Lucius said: No I get what you mean, it isn't so much thinking that he couldn't do those things therefore you are in denial but more to the point you would never have imagined it so it comes as a shock to hear it. I get why some teenagers are really upset because they don't realize the effect someones music had on them is totally separate from that person. Lets face it, you could have a teacher or doctor or something else that turned out to be a mass murderer or a pedophile, but once when you were down they gave you advice that saved your life, or maybe they actually physically saved your life, or as in this case the music made you feel you could get through anything. Now that person might be tarnished in your memory but the advice/music/act of kindness doesn't get tarnished just by association. You don't have to stick up for that person for that impact on your life to still be important, adults realize that the two are separate. Bad, terrible people can still do good things, the person might become a monster in your eyes but their good deeds, the music this man created, isn't a byproduct of his vileness, it is the good that came out of him even if it actually is an outcome of something worse the meaning it has to you shouldn't change. Some teenagers are "over reacting" because in their eyes they won't detach from the person, LostProphets music = Ian Watkins but Ian Watkins wasn't the only person recording those songs to begin with and if their music has an effect positively on your life then you shouldn't just disregard it. It is very much like Operation Yewtree, I think I am lucky that most of the people that the operation is naming weren't "my" era in a way that I'm not attached to any of them. This is the closest to being attached I can be and even then it isn't much as I only really kind of heard a song or two. People start feeling sorry for themselves or smashing CDs up and such what because they think it'll make them in a way guilty by associations but what these people did in their job, the TV, music, films whatever are more then the sum of one person and fans shouldn't feel anything. You can choose not to listen/watch anymore that is fair enough but by deleting it all out of your mind it doesn't stop the fact these people did these things. It isn't anyones faults other than their own for doing these things, all of them were adults when they did it. Though I feel I've gone off of the point with that and apologise. I do agree that I find that a strange reason to start taking drugs if that is true. Just because some people found inspiration in these things (in a totally different era as well) doesn't mean it is the way to go. If they became famous before he took any drugs why didn't he just carry on with what inspired him before? It is a very weak excuse for doing something stupid really. Hehe yeah that is the long way of saying it . I love their music and always will, they haven't really effected my life the way that say Rammstein have (that is my bad day music to cheer me up or just staring at a photo of Schnieder for a day or so will cheer me up!) but I can kind of understand why some people feel... For want of a better phrase "let down" by it. They looked up to him and he knew that, any celeb knows that, he abused his status and at first tried to make it out that it was a conspiracy and people of all ages that look up to him, that his music touched and saved, believed in him. Everyone feels sorry for the victims but this whole "laugh at the fans" and such is sad. I used to have many posters of Ian Watkins on my wall, for years! I think some of them only came off my wall early last year. I still have millions of photos of Schneider on my computer, loads of Rammstein photos on my wall and every song of theirs on my iPhone. If something like this came out about one of them I'd feel pretty devastated, it sounds stupid but it probably does feel like a violation of some unwritten trust or something that a fan feels about their idols. It probably shouldn't happen but it does especially if you listen to their music in your youth and get "connected" to it within your life. I agree that the impact their music has on your life shouldn't change and people ripping up t-shirts and smashing CDs need to calm down, for a start LostProphets were more then just Watkins and the impact it had on your life doesn't disappear because it turns out he was a monster. I know none of us will do it but just a warning, keep the talk about the issues and nothing to do with the victims please there have been friendly warnings (official friendly warnings) about trying to find out info on the victims, also if you bump into any info on the two women please keep it to yourselves. Even though we're a tiny piece of the internet that probably won't ever be noticed I don't want us noticed for the wrong reasons!
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Rick Staff Posts: 379	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:20:23 GMT Post by Rick on Jan 31, 2014 23:20:23 GMT What are all your opinions on the Knox case?
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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:23:45 GMT Post by Lucius on Jan 31, 2014 23:23:45 GMT Why you want to know our opinion?
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Rick Staff Posts: 379	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:25:01 GMT Post by Rick on Jan 31, 2014 23:25:01 GMT Am I not allowed to ask?
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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:26:55 GMT Post by Lucius on Jan 31, 2014 23:26:55 GMT I guess, just Americans are usually very touchy on the subject.
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Rick Staff Posts: 379	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:29:04 GMT Post by Rick on Jan 31, 2014 23:29:04 GMT Sorry I asked. Just wanted to know opinions on the case, I get enough American opinion wanted to know what the Brits thought about it.
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Anna Staff Posts: 2,716 Hogwarts House: Ravenclaw Who is YOUR Doctor?: 6 (Colin Baker 84-86) Current F1 Driver?: Fernando Alonso	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:30:59 GMT Post by Anna on Jan 31, 2014 23:30:59 GMT I think she's guilty, don't know why I think she's guilty and if I was on the jury I would probably have to vote not guilty because the evidence was ****** up and the whole process was a laugh but I just can't get rid of the feeling she's guilty. There is something very unlikeable about her, and no I don't mean the way the news papers have portrayed her. If I was in her shoes I'd have got out of prison and laid low not written a book and the day after I was told I was guilty again go on TV shows. Yes I'd protest my innocence but I wouldn't want the whole world looking at me either.
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Rick Staff Posts: 379	World News Thread Jan 31, 2014 23:34:49 GMT Post by Rick on Jan 31, 2014 23:34:49 GMT Thanks for indulging me. Ya see I can't get over how badly it seems to have been screwed up. People are also getting all the facts mixed up and coming out with some stupid assed stuff. I think she's innocent not because she's American but because there wasn't a shred of proof for her doing it. But like you it is more a LEGAL belief she's innocent. I think a lot of people think Americans act weird in situations like this. She's pretty normal in my eyes.
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Amanda Join a Fellowship... Hi there :) Posts: 1,739 Hogwarts House: Hufflepuff Who is YOUR Doctor?: 9 (Christopher Eccleston 05) Current F1 Driver?: Jenson Button	World News Thread Apr 28, 2014 14:28:27 GMT Post by Amanda on Apr 28, 2014 14:28:27 GMT Have any of you saw the news about ET Atari games being found buried in New Mexico? Brought back memories what a terrible game it was! I didn't mind the Atari but that game was horrible.
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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread Apr 28, 2014 19:19:08 GMT Post by Lucius on Apr 28, 2014 19:19:08 GMT It is such a strange find and a completely strange story in general. I mean Atari games weren't perfect to begin with so why dump a million copies? I know there is a video of the game play I must find it because I want to know what all the fuss is about.
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Anna Staff Posts: 2,716 Hogwarts House: Ravenclaw Who is YOUR Doctor?: 6 (Colin Baker 84-86) Current F1 Driver?: Fernando Alonso	World News Thread May 25, 2014 17:48:54 GMT Post by Anna on May 25, 2014 17:48:54 GMT Anyone seen the Elliot Rodgers thing? Sick kid too much like this happens, apparently this kid was seeing people about his mental illness and his family phoned police to check on him and yet he was still able to do this. What is even sicker is women turning it into some big feminist thing and then dragging us all in. I've been reading stupid "ALL Women feel scared...." blah blah blah crap on Tumblr and it makes me want to shout. I personally don't feel scared of men, I also don't care what men think about me as much as I don't care about how shallow women think about me. I don't want to be bunched together with these stupid feminists as much as normal men don't want to (and shouldn't be) bunched together with sickos like Rodgers.
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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread May 27, 2014 15:12:10 GMT Post by Lucius on May 27, 2014 15:12:10 GMT Don't get me started on the Yes All Women crap. Though no doubt Amanda will tell me I have no right to moan about it being male. I know that Rodgers went online saying that he was a "nice guy" and was always friendzoned and all that and now feminists are taking it to the point they can hit all men with the nice guy stick. Yes not ALL men are evil, really, it really is that shocking. And guess what. Women aren't all lovey dovey either. There are plenty of women out there that do the same thing. There are plenty of women out there that are just as sick as Rodgers and hates men just as much for similarly stupid reasons.The fact of the matter is that this guy was sick hence he killed 7 people 4 of whom was male. I don't think he really cared about who he killed if anything he was just playing out a sick fantasy. But the whole "this is why we need to protect ourselves from men" crap is boring now. Women have just as much say as men do, in fact I don't know a single person who was taught that women are just property. It was old fashioned thinking for my dad let alone me. As for Rodgers it seems strange he was able to get this far seeing that he was being checked and all that and I hate that they keep bringing up his father working on the Hunger Games because lets face it that has little to nothing to do with this.
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Amanda Join a Fellowship... Hi there :) Posts: 1,739 Hogwarts House: Hufflepuff Who is YOUR Doctor?: 9 (Christopher Eccleston 05) Current F1 Driver?: Jenson Button	World News Thread May 31, 2014 22:48:39 GMT Post by Amanda on May 31, 2014 22:48:39 GMT It has made people re-think how they think about women though and that is the important thing. Why shouldn't this girl have said no to going to prom with him? Just being a nice person doesn't mean anything, maybe she is a nice girl but the boy she wanted to go to prom with would never look twice at her. A women isn't a possession that you can just demand to have when you want them. She had a right to say yes or no and she said no, he had no right to do what he did out of a sense of entitlement to someone else. I think it is nice that sometimes we can talk about women instead of always having to talk about men. And if by magic there has been a lot more in the news about the abhorrent treatment of women around the world. The poor women who has been sentenced to death for marrying a Christian and the women who was stoned to death for marrying a man she loved instead of her cousin. THIS is what feminists are fighting, psycho's like that and Rodgers who see women as possessions.
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Lucius Join a Fellowship... Posts: 1,502	World News Thread Jun 1, 2014 17:53:57 GMT Post by Lucius on Jun 1, 2014 17:53:57 GMT Well that would be nice yes if it were true. As is, it isn't so its a weird way to think. No one is saying that the guy needed to grow up after being told she wasn't going to go to prom with him, the point is that he was mentally unstable, he was in counselling to sort his problems out. The question is why he'd be able to buy a gun when he had obvious problems and what more should people who knew he had problems have done to stop him. You want to make this about men v women but as I pointed out women are just as capable of doing sex based hate crimes, in fact they do it a lot more then you'd think because people don't want to hear about it. Thing is you are trivializing a problem in society, a problem with gun laws and a problem with a unique human being who did a horrible thing. The Yes All Women campaign did nothing but try and victimize women against a big bad male monster that doesn't exist. Yes this guy called himself a nice guy but are you going to sit there and tell me like all these stupid feminists on TV that I'm not really a nice guy because one person who called himself a nice guy did a horrible thing? Am I a monster? Are you scared of me? Should me, Rick and Pete just not bother posting on here because we're so sexist and evil? No because as a real human female you know that it isn't all black and white. Tomorrow you can walk down the road and be attacked by a male, female or whatever simply because they don't like you, it doesn't make the other people around you as bad as them for being human and it doesn't make the people that might help you bad because they are the same species or sex. Is there still sexism? Well of course there is but it works bloody both ways nowadays as well. These things will never change, they'll get better like they have done but they won't change. Because guess what? Sexism just means discrimination against someone based purely on their gender. And guess what? Men can be sexist to men and women to women and it'll happen as long as human beings in general are shallow, vain and driven by power and greed and THAT is for both sexes. Now we can have a discussion on sexism/feminists or we can talk about Rodgers and what he did but they are not one discussion. And don't try and make me believe feminists are trying to protect women from people like Rodgers because 90% of the time when I've met feminists and I mean real feminists not just women who believe in female equality they've been man hating bigots who hold just as sexist views as themselves. Rodgers mindset was unhealthy and his anger at the girl was wrong but it doesn't mean he felt the girl was a possession. Heck lots of people (again males and females) have that "I'm such a nice person, whats wrong with me why won't anyone date me" moments. So don't bring one psycho's disillusion world into meaning that only men think like that because your on a real loser there.
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