Anyway the Group Debate/Discussion Thread is now closed. Lots of tears I know. It isn't because it was doing badly, we all neglected it from time to time and we'd not posted for a few months. No that wasn't the point.
We now have a Group Debate/Discussion Board!
I guess there were a lot of discussions left half done and if we were raring to go again on a topic it was always just after the new one had been posted. So for Amanda's sake I've decided that we'll just have every discussion and debate in its own separate thread.
This means that of course after the month is up the Discussion or Debate is still free to carry on. We'll just make a sticky for the current months discussion.
The rules will still apply, you are allowed to get heated in here but down right nastiness is not permitted. Everyone has a opinion and they have the right to voice it, other posters have a right to question it and we won't moderate posts just because people are getting passionate about their opinion on a matter.
Everyone has a right to discuss whatever they want. American's can have a view on the TV License Fee in the UK and everyone in the world can talk about Scottish Independence. We will not tolerate anyone saying someone else can't have a view on any given topic.
Just remember to talk about the topic not the poster!
Amanda will be back posting new discussions/debates along the way, she's going to start off doing them monthly again and see where it goes from there.
Do not feel bad if you are bringing up old threads, they are here to be discussed whenever you want.
The only person to make a thread in here though is Amanda! (says the person who looks like she created all the threads!)
If you want to post your own discussion, whether it be about the news or something else and you don't want to wait in queue for Amanda to post it then just post it in the General section!
Just so you know I'm keeping this open for another week because of everyone being inactive.
I do get what you are saying, games need to be more open with whether they are free to play or you can trial for free. Though you can't compare Skyrim and apps/MMOs. Totally different things. As you said Skyrim you have to pay for before you get the content and it is usually a stupid amount of money to buy the game. MMOs and apps make their money with in game purchases so the premium members need to be treated better so that they'll keep putting money in and keep the app/MMO in business. If Skyrim doesn't make its money back we'll get no Elder Scrolls whatever number they are on, if Tapped Out or WoW don't make money people who are playing Premium and free will lose the game.
That is total and utter rubbish I'm afraid! Of course you can compare the two quite easily.
They all rely on the income of their games to carry on, yes in the bigger picture as Anna is pointing out with Pet Society if people stop paying you lose your game when it comes to Tapped Out, WoW is more like Skyrim because you do have to pay to play completely and the difference between Tapped out, Pet Society and WoW is that if they don't get the money they'll turn the servers off but if Skyrim didn't we just wouldn't get a new game but could play Skyrim forever.
That is kind of the point!
We all probably have games like Skyrim, we all probably paid £20+ for the game, we'll keep that game forever. As Anna said if you want the extra's you cough up and pay for them, you don't get weekly "new" items that they try and get you excited for, you get what you pay for.
That is the difference we like!
If I had to pay £2 for an app I probably would, The Walking Dead app says that it is free for one chapter, it got me hooked and I brought the rest. They made their money and everyone is happy.
If I download a FREE app and see there is 5 premium items compared to the 10 freemium items I'm more likely to pay silly amounts to buy one or two of the premium items if I like the game. They make their money and everyone is happy.
If I download a FREE app and every week I get about 20 premium items and a freemium dustbin I won't pay money because I'd just be throwing money into a black hole. They DON'T get anything from me and I stop playing.
If I download ANY app and suddenly three months into the game the data gets wiped, premium items and all, and their customer service is terrible then I lose out on a HELL of a lot of money that I could have spent on something else. They get my money, they lose a customer.
Skyrim it doesn't matter if the game crashes, resets or whatever I did put any money into that particular quest, I put time and effort and it'll piss me off but I'm not out of pocket because of it.
WoW is different because of its nature as a MMO, you put money in and they save your character and their history into their database so if something goes wrong they sort it out. A small app like Tapped Out or a Facebook app like Pet Society was wouldn't do that.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'd rather put money into proper MMO's/RPG console games then in apps because I know I'm always secure with what I do with my money. Apps are unreliable so I won't put the same amount of money into Tapped Out as I would WoW but I WOULD give them money if they had a good exchange rate FOR my money and they didn't flood the market with items for premium. People are more willing to buy things if they don't have to spend over £100 just to get one item out of 10.
It is not total and utter rubbish.
You have no choice but to pay silly amounts for Skyrim, you can play Tapped Out for free, yeah you miss out on cool stuff but you still CAN play for free you just have to get a hardershell when it comes to premium items. The conversion rate might be bad but it isn't so bad you'd have to pay the same amount in a year for Dougnuts as you do to pay for Skyrim. And it is even worse that the game is brought for £20+ then add ons are brought out for £20+ each! You say you can complete the game but technically you can't because there are addon parts that you can't afford.
OK WoW is a little different because it is a MMO and doesn't advertise itself as free, it might be closer to Skyrim then Tapped Out but it still is a major difference. If 100 people played WoW the game stays alive if 20 people are left playing it at the end of the year the whole game (plus the money spent in the game) is lost because they turn the servers off.
My point is that you have to expect people who work daily to make new content for Simpsons Tapped out to charge money for some of their creations. If everyone was just freemium they'd pull the app because they weren't getting paid, they give enough freemium items to keep someone like Anna happy so it isn't like they are totally out for blood there was only one update that had something like that in the whole times she's played the game. But it is up to her not to put money into it, when she does decide to put money into it she's keeping the game alive! Skyrim she'll have forever, my partner will have forever but the apps on their phones if they don't spend money on them they won't keep because they'll just be turned off!