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Post by Anna on Jul 17, 2013 21:43:44 GMT
What? You can not honestly say that bit in bold with a straight face can you? So A Song of Fire and Ice is more important then any other book? The fact that many books have different PoV characters is unimportant as those books are just unimportant. I don't get that point at all! Also Harry is not the only important character in the book. Like it or not Voldemort is an important character, in fact in the book he is the most IMPORTANT character. Why? Because he choose to listen to the prophecy and then went and made Harry (not Neville Longbottom) the chosen one. Dumbledore is pretty important as well seeing he was the one that basically coached Harry the whole time and even after his death left clues and pointers and then when Harry died still mentored him before he went back to save the day. Let us not forget that other characters destroyed horcruxes and that Hermoine is probably one of the only reasons why Harry survived. Many characters that we grew and love died to save Harry, he couldn't do it alone THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE BOOK! I don't think JK wrote that message well as she always ALWAYS went back to look how fantastic Harry is but it was there from the first. Harry needed people around him to help him, he would never have done it on his own. He wasn't smart enough, he couldn't read runes, he wasn't even really strong enough mentally to do it on his own. No one really would be. He was made the chosen one by Voldemort and by the people around him. We as an audience lived through Harry's eyes but to take away from that series that the only one that matter was Harry is wrong. He was the only one that could stop Voldemort yes, but it still remains that Voldemort would probably have killed Harry if he didn't have friends. Or Harry could have joined Voldemort if he didn't have people that kept him on the straight and narrow. ::::Other:::: books do have important characters that you don't always see through their perspective of course they do. How many characters do you think are in books? Do you really think that the people you see the story through the eyes of are the only ones of importance? They might be the ones that save the day, the ones that have the adventure but that character that told them the vital piece of the puzzle? They might not be the hero of the day and you could call them whatever you want they don't even need a name but they are still important! As for the Discworld what do you want? A list of stories that have duel "main" characters? You know that is not what I meant, what I meant was that the characters are pin pointed AS important in this series else why give them all seperate chapters? You say that others switch from character to character but isn't that more to do with making sure people get the widest sense of what is happening? It never really is that important to the story that the other characters get their day in the light. ::Other:: stories don't do this and have one main character, A Song of Ice and Fire has many main characters who get the same amount of attention they don't just "set up" something happening else where they are the main focus. As for Harry Potter, not that it is on topic or anything, I think it is you that has missed the point. Harry IS the chosen one, I don't think you can claim that Voldemort is important just because he set it rolling, technically that was Snape and Wormtail. But that is the point Voldemort COULDN'T die at the hands of Ron or Neville or any other bog standard character he had to die at the hands of Harry. Harry was always there, everything centred around him he was the most important part of the stories. Yeah JK Rowling went on and on about friendship and all that but it really isn't that important when it comes to the story, that is just something she threw in as a message to people. The story was Harry was chosen, Harry grew up and Harry defeated the bad guy. Not Harry + a few other people it was all Harry. Yeah, I want you to tell me which Discworld books have two or more main characters in the way that A Song of Ice and Fire does. A book that isn't just "here is the main character" *here is setting up using another character of lesser importance* "back to main character". That still makes no sense though! You are still just down playing the importance of some characters because you seem to want to. Personally I find any character that is in the books for more then a chapter very important. As you know most of my favorite characters are NPoV characters and if they become PoV characters later on I haven't reached that point yet! There are PLENTY of books where you don't just jump to an unimportant character, I don't think I've ever seen that EVER. Yes they are to show you something happening elsewhere but that is just as important as anything else! One thing I disliked about The Hunger Games (even if it is a small thing) was that we never got to see anyone else! Some of the things happening away from Katniss seemed really interesting AND important but we got Katniss's life story from beginning to end. Now the books were still brilliant but flashing off to one of the important characters making other important things happening around Katniss wouldn't have ruined the story just made it different. Like Harry Potter (and I guess Twilight) it just focused on the events of the one "hero" the only way A Song of Ice and Fire changes that is by opening the story out to have MANY "heroes" and even more important characters that we see through their eyes. No you are the one that has missed the point. Harry could never have gotten to where he was without the people around him. You could indeed change Ron to Neville or Hermoine to Lavender and still get the same outcome and you could also change Harry with Neville. The thing is a name is just a name, we know from the story that Voldemort chooses Harry, yes Wormtail and Snape play a part in that but Voldemort had two choices and marked one of them. Yes Harry is the "hero" of the piece but it doesn't make Hermoine or Ron any less important, or Voldemort and Dumbledore, or Lupin who teaches him how to fend off Dementors (a skill he needed to survive in PoA), or Sirius or Fred and George. YOU Choose to make them less important then they are but even Harry at points point out that he couldn't have gotten that far without help and that is 100% true! The whole point of the stories was that they needed each other. As for the Discworld... Thief of Time goes between the THREE heroes of the story. Jeremy and his twin Lobsang Lubb as well as Susan. Jeremy is building a clock to capture time, Lobsang Lubb is with Lu-Tze trying to stop it because it'll destroy time and Susan has been sent by Death to do the same thing. All three are important because all three points of the story are important. It is a simplistic way of describing that book but they are all still three VERY important characters! Then you have The Last Continent which goes between Rincewind and the Faculty. Rincewind is in a modern version of XXXX whilst the Faculty are in the past talking to a God. Both are important as even though in the end their stories join together Rincewind is basically once more just travelling in a weird country whilst the Faculty are finding out the meaning of Gods etc. The Last Hero has the Silver Horde and then Carrot/Rincewind/Leonard. The Silver Horde are bored and want to make one last stand whilst the other three are going to stop them. Again they are on the same path but both stories are important as they aren't "setting" anything up it is the story behind the two sides. Of course those might not be enough for you and you might sit there and say some of those stories are just "setting up" but the differences are just the same as say Sansa/Cat/Arya after all they all want the same outcome and are working to be together again so which one is the "important" one and which one is just "setting up"? |
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