Subject: Debate #15 : The media's part to play... 863 views

Pete Starting your own clone race... Forum Idiot Posts: 255	Debate #15 : The media's part to play... Jun 19, 2013 21:35:27 GMT Post by Pete on Jun 19, 2013 21:35:27 GMT Jun 19, 2013 20:34:43 GMT Amanda said: Jun 19, 2013 19:09:25 GMT Pete said: OK I might have made a slight joke but what do you expect? The song told me to go out and murder everyone. Well turn the song off and listen to something more cheerful! The game showed me how to do it! What you killed them by pressing the X button on a PS3? Unlikely. Now shoving the Wii controller up someones arse might hurt but I doubt the game actually taught you that. It looked so cool in the movie! So if that character jumped off a bridge so would you? Yeah I didn't think so. Yeah people SAY they are influenced by these things, but they aren't. They use them as a way to have someone to blame "Hey it isn't me that's messed up its these people who influence me but not the millions of millions of other people in the world". The question is what are you asking Manda? Are you asking if it DOES influence people or if people BELIEVE it influences them? A bit of both. You can't have it both ways. If a song influences you to write a story or paint a picture how is that different to influencing you to rob a bank or kill someone? Yes I get that it can't MAKE you do things but on the same principal you aren't MADE to write the story or paint the picture but if you do and you are asked where inspiration comes from unless you lie and say it was all you then you'll say "this song I listened to put the idea in my head" just the same as someone robbing a bank could have looked at (seeing Anna brought them up) Rammstein's Ich Will video, saw them robbing a bank and decided that they should do it for the sake of it. How are the two different? You said it yourself you aren't MADE to do anything. A song could help you come up with an idea of anything from a song to a robbery plot this is true, but the song doesn't make you do this. Plus lets get this straight if you act on something without actually finding out what the thing that has "influenced" you is about then you look even more stupid. I'll leave Anna to tell you about what the video actually means. My point is I might get hungry watching a man eat something on TV, I might even get the urge to eat the meal he's watching (unless its Hannibal) but the action of going and buying that meal, cooking that meal and eating that meal are my decisions. If I get food poisoning I'm not going to mount a law suit against the TV show because they made me eat that meal. I'd look stupid like everyone who does the same.
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Amanda Join a Fellowship... Hi there :) Posts: 1,739 Hogwarts House: Hufflepuff Who is YOUR Doctor?: 9 (Christopher Eccleston 05) Current F1 Driver?: Jenson Button	Debate #15 : The media's part to play... Jun 19, 2013 21:40:30 GMT Post by Amanda on Jun 19, 2013 21:40:30 GMT Jun 19, 2013 21:35:27 GMT Pete said: Jun 19, 2013 20:34:43 GMT Amanda said: A bit of both. You can't have it both ways. If a song influences you to write a story or paint a picture how is that different to influencing you to rob a bank or kill someone? Yes I get that it can't MAKE you do things but on the same principal you aren't MADE to write the story or paint the picture but if you do and you are asked where inspiration comes from unless you lie and say it was all you then you'll say "this song I listened to put the idea in my head" just the same as someone robbing a bank could have looked at (seeing Anna brought them up) Rammstein's Ich Will video, saw them robbing a bank and decided that they should do it for the sake of it. How are the two different? You said it yourself you aren't MADE to do anything. A song could help you come up with an idea of anything from a song to a robbery plot this is true, but the song doesn't make you do this. Plus lets get this straight if you act on something without actually finding out what the thing that has "influenced" you is about then you look even more stupid. I'll leave Anna to tell you about what the video actually means. My point is I might get hungry watching a man eat something on TV, I might even get the urge to eat the meal he's watching (unless its Hannibal) but the action of going and buying that meal, cooking that meal and eating that meal are my decisions. If I get food poisoning I'm not going to mount a law suit against the TV show because they made me eat that meal. I'd look stupid like everyone who does the same. I get that but you still got the idea and craving for that meal from that show!
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Anna Staff Posts: 2,716 Hogwarts House: Ravenclaw Who is YOUR Doctor?: 6 (Colin Baker 84-86) Current F1 Driver?: Fernando Alonso	Debate #15 : The media's part to play... Jun 20, 2013 21:47:58 GMT Post by Anna on Jun 20, 2013 21:47:58 GMT Jun 19, 2013 20:34:43 GMT Amanda said: Jun 18, 2013 22:53:51 GMT Anna said: ... Yeah I'm with Luc on this, so what he named Jeremy Clarkson in his stupid essay. I could give thousands to charity and name Jeremy Clarkson as the reason behind it would that balance it out? No people would just think I'm weird like they think Brevik was weird. The thing is what is inside a individual person is what makes them the way they are, nothing in the world can make someone a killer, yeah they could use it to make it "alright" in their mind but face it you could give them a Westlife CD and they'd find a hidden message in their songs. It might be a joke but its true. You listen to a love song it makes you sad, happy or angry. If it makes you sad and angry and you go out and do something then you can always point the finger at that song. Does that make the band that sang it, the person who wrote it or any of the other millions of people who get sad, angry, happy or a mixture of the above accessories to your crime? No. It is an easy thing to blame and a lot of the time you'll find it isn't even really the people DOING the crimes that point the fingers at them, if they do mention them its more out of profiling and showing what lifestyle they have moreover them saying "Rammstein made me kill a man". Its all apart of this "you have to get angry for other peoples sake" brigade. Silly really. But if we packaged things a little differently then surely there wouldn't be all this problems? If someone censored some of the stronger views of Clarkson no one can take them the wrong way now can they? The question then turns to why SHOULD Clarkson be censored? Just because one maniac went out of their way to name him as an influence to his demented diatribe on hating people and what was happening in his country doesn't mean that we should all change the way we express ourselves just in case another nut job shows up and blames someone else. Freedom of speech and all that. It is still the point that Clarkson didn't tell him to kill someone, Clarkson has never said anything like that. He took some innocent words and apparently put them into his mass essay about how corrupt the world is but that didn't make him decide to kill someone, he killed people because he was a nut job. If he'd never heard of Clarkson he'd just find something or someone else to include and if there wasn't anything he'd probably still have gone and killed people. It isn't just a case of taking what people mean the wrong way it is about twisting the world to fit the way you feel about things. As for the video of "Ich Will" I believe it was a satire on how the press make heroes out of criminals and that if they robbed a bank to prove this point they'd still end up being awarded because people would still love them. I think there is something about that really, not wanting to draw any comparisons to this discussion or Rammstein but a lot of people are up in arms and talking more about Ian Watkins now then they ever have because he's been arrested. I've heard so many conspiracy theories about it by fans who won't believe anything (and as I've said before I have no opinion one way or the other) that it is pretty sad to be honest. They hold him in much higher esteem now because it is like a barrier that he did wrong, of course not he's our hero, but he might have, nah never.
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