I love the fact they showed the Lewis incident about 3 times then Nicoles reaction (which is the first time I liked her .)

No I agree, don't worry about offending me I like to be offended at 12:40am .

I love Checo and think he deserves that McLaren seat but it did bug me that just because he wasn't wonderful all season long suddenly at the end of the season the "darlings" of certain F1 "personalities" deserved the McLaren seat because they were bored of Checo. He is a strong driver and he'll grow into the team I'm sure .

As for Jules I just really hope that he keeps getting consistent results and sneaks some surprises in. He's young, he has Ferrari behind him. I'm sure he'll be a good catch for a team and EVERYONE is saying he is a star to the future. He just needs to keep his head season long and he'll be good .

Well my vote goes for Nico this weekend!

He had the pace, he could have been on that podium and he was level headed and calm with his team on the radio (and as Anna said was able to argue with them AND drive pretty well!)

I voted Webber for not punching Vettel (though also he's the worst driver of the weekend for not punching vettel!)

He did well though so you know. Fair enough!

Good race a bit ruined by the whole team orders though. Would have been ncie tosee Webber actually being able to fight for his place and Rosberg being allowed to do anything against Lewis.

I voted yes and I'll tell you why.

It isn't because he disobeyed team orders.

It isn't because I feel Mark was screwed by the team again.

It isn't even because I dislike Vettel (which is shaky to begin with).

It is purely down to the fact that Vettel likes team orders to go his way, he has had help from Webber to win his titles and this isn't the first time Mark has been told to turn his engine down and suddenly found himself under attack by Vettel. If you use team orders, if you gain from using them, you have no right to ignore them when they come to you.

Now Lewis is different because Lewis wasn't given a message that Nico would follow him, he was told to preserve his engine and Nico was told the same but from what we know Lewis was never told that Nico was doing the same and being told not to overtake him. If both had been left to fight who knows if Nico would have gotten past but it was the same for RBR, Lewis (Marks) engine was turned down from what I gathered Nicos (Vettels) wasn't. Of course when one car goes into engine saving mode they aren't going to be able to defend.

The thing is this whole mutil 21 code meant Vettel (no matter how he protests otherwise) knew that meant Mark was at a disadvantage and took that opportunity.

Isn't that what we want from our champions?

Probably, but I'd rather they be honest about what they are doing. The moment he realized he was the only one celebrating he went into defensive mode. We all know Alonso is a ******* on track, but he doesn't hide it, he doesn't "apologize" and make excuses he shrugs and gets on with life. He expects the team to be on his side sure, but then he (and usually the team other than McLaren, and that is a whole other kettle of fish anyway) never hides that fact. Vettel does, RBR want you to believe they have equality and Vettel wants people to think he's in some way "better" morally then someone like Alonso who uses second drivers and team orders.

It just seems a slap in the face of the guy who helps when you take his disadvantage to take the win he deserved (Vettel was on the radio asking to be let through during the race when they were on equal terms PROOF that on equal footing Webber was good enough for the win).

Yeah being ruthless is good but don't think about asking for help later in the season.

I really think there should be a maybe, but I know that you've gone off the idea of vague answers

I voted yes, I totally agree with everything you've said on the move. At the end of the day team orders do exist in Red Bull and always have. You do tend to get a number 1 and number 2 driver but if we can be incensed at Fernando for "dirty" tricks with Ferrari we can be incensed with Vettel for "dirty" tricks with Red Bull. At the end of the day for both Red Bull and Mercedes there was no need to pansy about, yeah the team is playing the long game but it did stop us having two real battles at the end of the race because Vettels move wasn't what we wanted, we want pure racing. How do we get that if one driver turns their engine down before the other overtakes?

I don't agree with a lot of the nastiness being thrown at Vettel, to be honest his move was dirty BUT Red Bull had no right to tell them to stop fighting. If it was the other way round and Vettel had turned his engine down to find Mark sweeping past the inside he'd have a right to be just as upset and I think fans would be even more angry, mainly because the only reason they are angry now is Mark is a good guy whereas if the tables were turned it would look like Mark screwing a World Champion.

The teams need to remember that people and the drivers love the drivers championship and the personal drama there over the constructors. I don't want to have done with the constructors but if they only worry about their constructors championship we lose something in the drivers championship.

You know with the whole Vettel/Webber thing I'd probably have more respect for Vettel if he'd said what he said this weekend after he did it. People say they respect him for not playing the PR game but he did, he told everyone he was so sorry and lied to his fans (who won't care but that be fans for ya'll) about not understanding basically to make himself seem like the "good guy" still.

Whether or not he came out and told the truth this week because he knew that people didn't care what he said about it or he knew that his team was back on his side 100% I don't know.

But lets be honest. EVERY driver gets the same treatment. If he had said the things he had this week before now then people would still use that as a stick to beat him with and the self rightous lot that sit there saying "if it was x,y or z you'd be fine with it" wouldn't be fine with it if it happened to x,y and z and would be trying to make out Vettel was whiter than white.

I don't mind drivers fighting amongst themselves I like the drama but I resepct ones who don't try and play the good guys when they've done something so obviously not good. This wasn't the team screwing Mark this was Sebastian screwing Mark and he should have been upfront with his double standards before this weekend.

The evidence has gotten to the point were it is obvious that Sebsatian wants Mark to yield to him but not to yield to Mark when tables are turned. "thats what makes him a 3 time world champion", "I'd much rather have a racer than someone boring" etc. Well good. Next time you moan about Alonso for doing the same I'll throw this in your face. Same difference.