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No not heard of it, what is it?

Well I think he's going to be found guilty but only because it got so much media attention just to get to this stage and everyone has seen the photos of Martin when he was a kid and have this "man kills little kid who just went to the shops" idea in their head.

Personally if I was on the jury I wouldn't be convinced, prosecution has done little to help the case and I'd say it. Whether Zimmerman is innocent or guilty of anything we'll never really know because it wasn't investigated properly. There has been a lot of shit thrown around though that just doesn't hold water and mostly it makes certain people look like idiots from the police, to the girlfriend and a wider range of people.

Well we all know apparently the most important thing in the world is the birth of a child that will never want for nothing and be "above" all us and our children but is important because one day they might be king/queen and do... **** all.

I haven't heard of the Zimmerman case what is it? (Is Zimmerman a name or some kind of code word?)

Due date is tomorrow I believe just in case you want to stay clear of, well, everything!

Not heard of the Zimmerman case but that sounds very confusing and I wouldn't like to be on the jury! (Might as questions when I'm more awake as intrigued by it but too tired to process it).

Big news story I've been following is Edward Snowdon, find it fascinating the way some of the people trying to get him back to America are acting like. They talk about him like they've killed their children right in front of them then spat on their graves or something! All he did was confirm most people's belief's about the countries we live in, that they like to paint themselves as liberal and free but really they keep as close an eye on you as some of the states they like to abuse about "human rights" breaches.

Now I understand that they do it for good enough intentions, but it still is scary thinking they can do what they do and how it seems the belief would be we are all guilty and worthy of surveillance until they can get enough to charge us with something, and even then they seem to do a piss poor job of that the amount of horrible stuff in this world that goes on day in and day out they are meant to prevent us from having to deal with by monitoring people. 

The only other thing I followed was Brady's hearing. Anyone else in the UK sick of these Myria Hindley documentaries with her "unheard" messages popping up. They all sound like they want to just blame Brady and forget that she was just as sick and evil as him.

George Zimmerman has been acquitted. Guess the prosecution didn't prove it without reasonable doubt. In fact the prosecution were what made me wonder whether it was the truth or not.

Problem is it is one persons view verses a dead guys view. With nothing to actually prove what happened just before the shooting it'll come down to whether you want to believe the only person still alive who was there or not. If it was a white guy that had been shot then people wouldn't have cared probably.

At the end of the day no matter what the situation you need to have total proof that someone has done something. Take the April Jones one he admits to having killed her and the only reason we know that his version of events are wrong is because the evidence of April being in his house, the eye witness seeing her get into a car amongst other things proved that he was wrong. From all I've been told the evidence actually proves what Zimmerman said to a degree.

I see a lot of people online that make out the other guy was a saint who didn't deserve it whilst hearing that text messages were withheld from the defense that showed the guy in a totally different light. Thing is when someones dead you don't want to make them out to be a terrible person who could have been part of the problem, especially in America and especially if they are in a minority. The moment you try and rationalize the whole story "what did person A do what did person B do, what are their attitudes and lifestyles like" etc you'll get people saying you are demonizing the victim (for want of better word) but that it is perfectly fine to do that to the person who shot him. Well no. If you go looking for something that says 5 years ago Zimmerman punched someone therefore he has a violent past why can't you then say well the other guy beat someone else up as well therefore wasn't afraid to start a fight with Zimmerman.

Thing is even if Zimmerman just grazed the other guy with the bullet and they'd both been alive to testify you'd still get two people's versions of events, neither will ever be wrong but we might have been allowed to learn what the other guy was actually really like instead of just painting this picture of a racially motivated stalker (which in my opinion Zimmerman wasn't).

Well that is the big point isn't it, no one will ever know. If you think that Zimmerman is lying it isn't like you really can say which bits are a lie and which are truthful, we'll never EVER know.

I agree with the point that if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife, I also agree that this case has been overblown because it just so happens that Martin is 17, therefore legally a minor. Of course if he'd been charged with beating Zimmerman to death he'd possible be able to be prosecuted as an adult and most people think of 17/18 as basically adults.

There does seem to be a lot of "well how would any other 17 year old react? Its fine because he was being followed..." Yeah well I suffer from paranoia and think EVERYONE is following me down a street I've never had the need to turn around and punch any of them though. There does seem to be a double standard, Zimmerman had no right to be following Martin even though there had been people breaking into homes and stealing things and Martin was both a stranger and fit the description (black teen is a bit of a vague description but if you knew it was a few black teens you are hardly going to follow a white 30 year old man are you?) yet just because Zimmerman followed him Martin had every right to attack.

I think a lot of it is down to personal opinion and law getting muddied.

Personally I think they were both at fault but as I will never know what happened and it isn't like Martin can give his side of the story, acquittal is the only option I could see.

What little we do know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, which isn't illegal, got out of his car after being advised (not told) not too. Big grey area where Martin DID attack Zimmerman and Zimmerman DID (and admits to) shoot Martin. The police didn't arrest Zimmerman and they didn't drug test him or follow up on the matter, it was case closed. The media turned it into "white man kills this innocent young black boy" missing out the fact that Martin was actually nearly an adult, that Zimmerman was Hispanic and using misleading pictures that made Martin look smaller and younger then he was. The case was forced open and taken to court.

That grey area is enough to shove a handful of reasonable doubt. What came first? Martin confronting Zimmerman? Zimmerman confronting Martin? Did Zimmerman confront him with his gun? Did Martin even know he had a gun until after the fight began? Was Zimmerman walking away when Martin attacked him?

For me for any manslaughter or murder 2 charges it would have to be Zimmerman attacked first. Why? Because as far as I know all Martin had to do was make Zimmerman fear for his life and that is enough for self defense. If Zimmerman didn't attack first, if he didn't even have his gun out and Martin knew nothing of the gun then Martin was the one that elevated the situation to a violent one and therefore even though Zimmerman was a twat and shouldn't have been confronting someone based on them being a stranger he isn't really the one at fault for the violence. No matter what anyone says. Maybe it is an American thing where a 17 year olds first reaction to something like that is OK to be violent, I've never know a 17 year old that resorted to violence and ANYONE saying it was alright because they were provoked. Whenever something happened and a 17 year old attacked and elevated from peaceful (if a bit scary/strange/whatever) thing to a violent one they'd be done for being... You know... Violent instead of trying to talk it through, phoning the police or any of the other 100 things you COULD do.

After saying that the point still remains WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND NEVER WILL!