Jamie Oliver is a UK chef, he became famous as a TV chef (he was good looking and a mockney) and then used his fame to "save" school dinners when I was just leaving school. He basically declared war on turkey twizzlers (which I loved) and made school meals "healthy". He tends to come out every other year talking about how unhealthy and overweight our children our whilst slowly getting chubbier himself.

Now he seems to have decided being poor is a crime.....

Michael le Vell is in court this week for child abuse. For our US friends he has been in Coronation Street for 30 years, one of our three biggest soaps, played the mechanic Kevin. He's been accused of sexually attacking a girl between 2003-2010 (I believe might a bit wrong) she was apparently 8 when it first happened.

ALSO Bill Roache, again from Coronation Street, has pleaded not guilty to the historic cases that have been brought against him. He's been in Corrie since it start I think as Ken Barlow the head of one of the main families in the soap. His soap wife Audrey was put in prison once and there was a nationwide (REAL LIFE) get Audrey out of prison campaign. Just thought I'd add that to show just how big this soap and these people are.

Pretty grim really .

Thanks for the background on those two "people" would never have had a clue who the heck they were meant to be without it.

Yeah but right now he can still be Kevin off of Corrie because right now he's only allegedly done something.

Problem with this case is you are going to convict or not convict based on how little evidence they have. It is the problem with most of these cases. I'll agree a bit that he's acting like a "bloke" about it and for me it feels like an act from what little I've read that he's said or heard on the news, outside of court he's always smirking and I think he knows he'll get away with it.

Did we want Tokoyo to win?

I say jokingly but I never really got the reason so many fans hated the idea of all the places holding the World Cup and the Euro cup it all seemed a bit, well, we didn't win it so why did they when we're a better country.

Apparently Beth Chapman is in trouble for calling someone a slut because of what she was wearing. Does she not see the clothes she wears at times?!

Has anyone seen that Ian Watkins has pleaded guilty?

news.sky.com/story/1173936/lostprophets-ian-watkins-admits-rape-attempts

Made me feel sick reading the article. Never really was a fan of his music but you just don't imagine it do you? You'd think rock stars are too busy doing other things. Then again I guess this kind of thing you'll never really understand because who could really understand what goes on in people like his head?

The one thing I think Anna told me was that the band used to be straight edged. What the hell happened with that?

No I get what you mean, it isn't so much thinking that he couldn't do those things therefore you are in denial but more to the point you would never have imagined it so it comes as a shock to hear it. I get why some teenagers are really upset because they don't realize the effect someones music had on them is totally separate from that person.

Lets face it, you could have a teacher or doctor or something else that turned out to be a mass murderer or a pedophile, but once when you were down they gave you advice that saved your life, or maybe they actually physically saved your life, or as in this case the music made you feel you could get through anything. Now that person might be tarnished in your memory but the advice/music/act of kindness doesn't get tarnished just by association. You don't have to stick up for that person for that impact on your life to still be important, adults realize that the two are separate. Bad, terrible people can still do good things, the person might become a monster in your eyes but their good deeds, the music this man created, isn't a byproduct of his vileness, it is the good that came out of him even if it actually is an outcome of something worse the meaning it has to you shouldn't change. Some teenagers are "over reacting" because in their eyes they won't detach from the person, LostProphets music = Ian Watkins but Ian Watkins wasn't the only person recording those songs to begin with and if their music has an effect positively on your life then you shouldn't just disregard it.

It is very much like Operation Yewtree, I think I am lucky that most of the people that the operation is naming weren't "my" era in a way that I'm not attached to any of them. This is the closest to being attached I can be and even then it isn't much as I only really kind of heard a song or two. People start feeling sorry for themselves or smashing CDs up and such what because they think it'll make them in a way guilty by associations but what these people did in their job, the TV, music, films whatever are more then the sum of one person and fans shouldn't feel anything. You can choose not to listen/watch anymore that is fair enough but by deleting it all out of your mind it doesn't stop the fact these people did these things. It isn't anyones faults other than their own for doing these things, all of them were adults when they did it.

Though I feel I've gone off of the point with that and apologise.

I do agree that I find that a strange reason to start taking drugs if that is true. Just because some people found inspiration in these things (in a totally different era as well) doesn't mean it is the way to go. If they became famous before he took any drugs why didn't he just carry on with what inspired him before? It is a very weak excuse for doing something stupid really.